Compare the C8 Spyder to the 360 Spider

[Michiel Mobiel]

Torque------------------ 275 lb-ft---------- 354 lb-ft---------- 29% more
at------------------------ 4750 rpm--------- 3500 rpm--------- 1250 rpm less

Especially the higher number of Torque at much lower revs makes the C8 very fun and impressive to drive!

[F Spider]

There are a number of surprises in that list. As a driver of both the Spider and Spyder, the difference in the brake system is enormous. The Power brake system in the Ferrari has lots of feel and modulation. The non-assisted brakes in the Spyker feel much harder and take a lot of muscle. So, I was very surprised that the stopping distances in the Spyker are shorter.

[Michiel Mobiel]

So, I was very surprised that the stopping distances in the Spyker are shorter.

Pirelli says: "Power is nothing without control."
This also counts for stopping power, ofcourse.
Possibly the tires of the Spyker are better and the much lower weight is a huge advantage as well.

[SpykerOwner]

Pirelli says: "Power is nothing without control."
This also counts for stopping power, ofcourse.
Possibly the tires of the Spyker are better and the much lower weight is a huge advantage as well.

Weight is the biggest enemy of performance. Colin Chapman understood that best.

[Kevin Slegg]

There are a number of surprises in that list. As a driver of both the Spider and Spyder, the difference in the brake system is enormous. The Power brake system in the Ferrari has lots of feel and modulation. The non-assisted brakes in the Spyker feel much harder and take a lot of muscle. So, I was very surprised that the stopping distances in the Spyker are shorter.

And interesting that the Ferrari is 0.01g better in but still 0.5mph slower in the slalom

[Mel Bonkers]

-------------------------- Ferrari------------ Spyker
-------------------------- 360 Spider------- C8 Spyder
-------------------------- 2001-------------- 2006
Weight distribution f/r- 42/58%----------- 43/57%
Slalom------------------ 66.6 mph--------- 67.1 mpg
Turns lock to lock -------2.7---------------- 2.3
Max first gear---------- 87 dBA------------ 92 dBA
Constant 70 mph------- 75 dBA------------ 83 dBA

Source: Road&Track

The Spyker has a better weight distribution. She does the slalom faster (I reckon 67.1 mpg should be mph) .

Rijk, does the Spyker feel more direct as it has 0.4 less lock to lock?

Great to see that they actually measured the maximum dBA in first gear instead of Vmax :lol:

Maybe Vmax should be derived from the fact that 83 dBA = 70 mph :lol:

[F Spider]

The Ferrari has an exhaust valve which closes at speeds under 3500rpm to fulfill the noise standards. This gives the car the famous Ferrari wail at 87 DBA, and the car still stays legal.

Spyker did it completely different. The car is within the legal noise limits when the "sport" button on the dashboard is in the "off" position. But, when you switch the "sport" button on, all hell breaks loose. It bypasses the muffler and is incredibly loud anywhere in the rev range and at full throttle it reaches 92 DBA. This is 5-8 DBA louder than the Ferrari (keep in mind that and increase of 10 DBA is a DOUBLING of the amount of noise).

[Michiel Mobiel]

(keep in mind that and increase of 10 DBA is a DOUBLING of the amount of noise).

Doubling the amount of noise means an increase of 3 DBA.
8 DBA more means the Spyker shouts and roars almost 2.7 times louder.

[F Spider]

Michiel,

Can I borrow your DBA meter? Yours is louder than mine

[Michiel Mobiel]

I could be wrong... It's kind of complicated...

Decibel - Wikipedia

Het begrip dB(A)

[F Spider]

-------------------------- Ferrari------------ Spyker
-------------------------- 360 Spider------- C8 Spyder
Our driving---------------- 10.8 mpg--------- 18 mpg

This was a big surprise in the beginning. 10.8 mpg equals 4.5 km/l and 18 mpg equals 7.5km/l. Now I understand. Just to get the sound out of the Ferrari, you bring it all the way up to 8500 revs, over and over again, while the Spyker has such an enormous amount of torque at relatively low levels, that if is not necessary to go in the higher ranges.

[SpykerOwner]

Which means your Spyker uses less fuel than my Alfa

[SpykerOwner]

.. and 18 mpg equals 7.5km/l.

= 21 mpg for the English amongst us

[Kevin Slegg]

Which means your Spyker uses less fuel than my Alfa

= 21 mpg for the English amongst us

Surely you get more than 21mpg out your Alfa - I average about 25mpg from mine

[SpykerOwner]

Surely you get more than 21mpg out your Alfa - I average about 25mpg from mine

Depends on what she's used for. Last week my wife used her for several short trips and did a lot of city driving. I already had to fill her up after 300 kms, which means we managed about 14 maybe 15 mpg.

My overall average must be somewhere near 21 maybe 22 mpg.